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Bad Bunny, who is finishing up a two month residency in Puerto Rico where he sold out 30 shows, is about to embark on a world tour of Latin America, Europe, Asia and Oceania. He excluded concerts in the U.S. on the tour, as he explains, because of ICE raids. He explains inin a recent interview: [More...]

[Interviewer]You said you wouldn’t be giving any concerts in the United States. Was this out of concern about [the mass deportations of Latinos in the United States?

[BB]Man, honestly, yes. There were many reasons why I didn’t show up in the US, and none of them were out of hate—I’ve performed there many times. All of [the shows] have been successful. All of them have been magnificent. I’ve enjoyed connecting with Latinos who have been living in the US.

But specifically, for a residency here in Puerto Rico, when we are an unincorporated territory of the US… People from the US could come here to see the show. Latinos and Puerto Ricans of the United States could also travel here, or to any part of the world. But there was the issue of—like, f!cking ICE could be outside [my concert]. And it’s something that we were talking about and very concerned about.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome. If you want to discuss Charlie Kirk, no insults to him or his politics please. First, Talkleft has a policy of not speaking ill of people on the occasion of their death. Second, multiple news sites are reporting on the radical right's doxxing of all who criticize him, including publishers of websites and podcasts where derogatory comments appear. This is something I don't need in my life.

There are plenty of other newsworthy and other topics to discuss, from Hamas and Qatar to the New York Fashion Show to our favorite TV shows. I'm watching a lot of K-Pop these days. Netflix has "Beyond the Bar" and lots of new "Love is Blind" seasons. The 9th season of LIB is entirely filmed in Denver and starts October 1. I think Netflix's international limited crime series are better than those filmed in the U.S. -- they don't always take the side of law enforcement. If you'd like some recommendations, let me know in comments and I'll add them there.

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    Downton Abbey... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 12, 2025 at 10:59:05 PM EST
    We went to see Downton Abbey tonight.  There were only old people there.  The movie was so stupid that I liked it.  Nothing is so liberating as the fake made-up problems of silly people in a crappy movie.  It's just maudlin escapism, but what I needed.

    I don't recommend it.  It's only for the true die-hard fans of the TV series.

    We saw "Highest2Lowest" last night (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:12:19 PM EST
    the new Spike Lee film with Denzel Washington, remaking a Kurosawa film of the 1960s. Despite some odd holes in the plot, we enjoyed it a lot. Fun, exciting, interesting characterizations, and excellent acting. Big views of NYC make it good to see in a theater.

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    The third season of Foundation was really good. (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 10:25:38 AM EST
    It's been renewed for 4.  Dexter Resurrection is also great.  

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    It really is (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 05:09:53 PM EST
    Shutdown (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 10:28:04 AM EST
    Democrats Name Their Price for Avoiding Shutdown
    September 13, 2025 at 6:57 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 168 Comments

    "The next federal-funding deadline is just weeks away. Democrats say restoring billions of dollars in health-insurance subsidies for Americans is the minimum price of their vote, holding the threat of a shutdown over Republicans' heads," the Wall Street Journal reports.

    "Democrats are more confident in their negotiating stance compared with March, when a similar attempt to play hardball fizzled. While today's talks pit them against Republican leaders who want a two-month spending deal with no big additions, they are finding support among rank-and-file GOP lawmakers fearing political backlash if their voters are hit by higher health-insurance bills next year."

    You know (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 12:19:53 PM EST
    I almost wish they would let people's insurance prices rise so voters could see the full effects of voting Republican. The flip side is that too many people won't be able to afford insurance and it seems we always are called to be the bigger people.

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    Based on my own social media feeds (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:09:12 PM EST
    I would say they have their work cut out for them.

    This (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:11:20 PM EST
    Not good (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:33:08 PM EST
    Shooter Apparently Had a Transgender Partner
    September 13, 2025 at 3:10 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 68 Comments

    Accused Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, Fox News reports.

    The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.

    I thought (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:55:31 PM EST
    he lived at home with his parents?

    Either way if that is true I expect terrible violence from maga.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:01:25 PM EST
    lived in a house

    A pretty nice one

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    Some (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:18:26 PM EST
    are saying that's his parent's house. And they are also saying he has a roommate that he interacted with not a girlfriend/boyfriend. Sounded like someone he met while in college and roomed with but not in a relationship with.

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    If he killed him for his friend (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:36:00 PM EST
    and not his lover that's even better.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:42:08 PM EST
    but won't stop the violence.

    If you haven't you should listen to the governor of Utah. These days it is so strange to hear a NORMAL person say the usual things. I never thought I would miss that kind of thing.

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    Governor Cox's (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:43:02 PM EST
    letter to the Utah House and Senate explaining his veto of the bill in 2022 to ban trans athletes from participating in girls sports was remarkable.

    A key except: "..... there is one more important reason for this veto. I must admit, I am not an expert on transgenderism. I struggle to understand so much of it and the science is conflicting. When in doubt, however, I always try to err on the side of kindness, mercy and compassion. I also try to get proximate and I am learning so much from our trans community.  They are great kids who face enormous struggles. "

    "... 75, 000 high school kids in high school sports, one transgender student playing girls sports, four trans students playing high school sports. 86 percent of trans youth report suicidality, 56 percent of trans youth have attempted suicide".   "... rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few."

    The veto was overridden and the governor received severe criticism from his party, including a call from a deceased person in the news this past week who called for his expulsion from the Republican Party, according to reporting in The Guardian".

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    You don't know enough about Fuentes or groypers (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 12:36:08 AM EST
    Fuentes suspected significant other is a furry called Catboy or something like that. They occasionally have photos together. What these guys say and how they may choose to live doesn't need to be congruent. It's weird, I know. All of the groyper memes are supposed to confuse normies.  Not be able to be understood by us because we aren't indoctrinated.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:06:16 PM EST
    this means more violence for trans people.  But it's kind of romantic.

    In a Straw Dogs kind of way.

    Can't think of a better reason.

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    Oh, I think (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:20:43 PM EST
    it means more than violence for just trans people. Steve Bannon is saying it's war so basically anybody who is not maga is a target.

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    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:24:59 PM EST
    I mean a Dog Day Afternoon kind of way.  

    Confused my dog movies.

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    There is actually something a bit (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 12:42:29 AM EST
    'Dog Day Afternoon' about the whole groyper cult.

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    Big Balls is a groyper (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 12:42:58 AM EST
    It's (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:49:38 PM EST
    True

    It's (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 02:51:59 PM EST
    Try a google (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:01:47 PM EST


    I did (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:06:10 PM EST
    and the few articles I clicked on started with "The NY Post is reporting..." with no original sources and no mainstream sources.

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    The source is a Fox correspondent (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:16:19 PM EST
    so I hope you are correct.  But I don't think Political Wire would be posting it if he didn't believe it.

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    The report says (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:19:54 PM EST
    the FBI told her this.  It doesn't sound like something a normal FBI agent would discuss with a reporter

    Only a MAGA/FOX FBI agent.  Could still be true.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:28:37 PM EST
    that does sound fishy. It also was sinking in that the guy was a groyper with maga. Need something to distract them and nothing works like a trans person.

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    Well it's either (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:34:54 PM EST
    true or it isn't.  We should know fairly soon.

    Oddly I don't find it that had to believe.  It makes perfect sense.

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    It does (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:51:03 PM EST
    and it doesn't. to me anyway.

    Seems like they would have a picture of the "trans girlfriend" in the article to back up what they are saying but there isn't one.

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    Unclear (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:56:28 PM EST

    His identity was revealed as separate reports emerged from Fox and the New York Post which stated that Robinson was living with a 'transgender partner' who is co-operating with the investigation.

    It is unclear if Twiggs is the same person referenced in the reports and he has not been named in the affidavit. His grandfather, Jerry Twiggs, told Daily Mail that he was unable to comment on rumors that he is trans and that there was a transgender motive to Kirk's murder.

    'I don't want to comment on that. I'm not sure what his situation is exactly right now,' he said, adding that he had never met Robinson.

    Jerry also confirmed his grandson had been talking with the police, but that he had not spoken to him since.

    'After he was with the police, he's been at his house, and there's no way for us to contact him other than going over there,' he said.



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    The report (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:32:43 PM EST
    I found said that the shooter had 3 roommates and yes there was one cooperating with the police. Same person you named. Only one picture with a hoodie which did not look "trans" only like a guy with a hoodie. You would think if they wanted to prove that point they could find a picture with a dress and makeup.

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    This (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:42:47 PM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:48:59 PM EST
    Just an observation (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:57:23 PM EST
    You called that a hoodie.  It's really more like something a "Furrie" would wear.

    I believe some of the ammo messages referenced Furries?

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    This (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 07:04:50 PM EST

    The message engraved on the casing of the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk is used in trolling and "furry" subculture -- and experts told The Post on Friday it was written by someone likely chronically online.

    The casing had the words, "Notices Buldge OWO what's this?" on it, according to an arrest affidavit targeting suspected assassin Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old trade-school student from Utah.  

    The string of words can be used for trolling -- and connected to online furry and role-play groups, digital culture experts said.



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    TBH (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 07:47:37 PM EST
    I really did not look that close. I just saw a brown hood. So is that a groyper thing? It sounds like a gamer thing to me.

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    Furries are not a gamer thing exactly (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 07:51:05 PM EST
    Furries are fans of anthropomorphic animals--animals with human characteristics--and the furry fandom is a diverse community united by this interest. While not everyone in the fandom creates a "fursona" (a personal furry character) or wears a "fursuit" (an animal costume), these are common ways for furries to express their creativity and embody these characters. The community is known for its diversity and acceptance, providing a social network and a sense of belonging for its members, much like other fandoms such as Star Trek or anime.  

    Adding for some there is an adult element.  If you know what I mean.

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    There are also furries not into the adult element (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 01:07:26 AM EST
    There is also a sect of Nazi furries.

    I never thought there would be a need to discuss any of this lol.

    One of Josh's close friends through college and still, had a furry college side hustle. I will call her E. Of their crowd senior year, only Josh and E remained in college. A couple had graduated and a couple took the year off, Covid brought two to have to deal with depression. But Josh and E would hang, try to find things to do to keep them going. E needed some cash flow tho.  She's a good anime artist and furries will pay a decent anime artist to draw them as their furry doing "adult" furry things. Josh suggested to E that she advertise her services lol. And it turned out E excelled at this and had more college cash than you could shake a stick at. But it got rough for Josh lol. Both Josh and E were in philosophy classes with seminary students, and Josh really liked them and they liked Josh as well. But sometimes in the middle of philosophy class with all these future priests and class discussion and debate, E would be simultaneously cranking out her next piece of furry porn, and embarass the shit out of Josh lololol

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    It would help (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 07:55:59 PM EST
    If we knew the the hoodie had paws.

    I did some shopping for Furry attire.  I didn't find that exact one.  

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    Furries have their outfits (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 01:09:48 AM EST
    Custom made usually. If you're serious. You don't want to show up to the orgy and find out you're already there lol.

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    Furry (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 08:21:05 AM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:39:54 PM EST
    I just checked the local news and there is nothing about a girlfriend/roommate or anything new.

    Local (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:40:09 PM EST
    news in Utah that is.

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    It seems likely (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 03:50:26 PM EST
    domestic news sources might be avoiding the subject for the very reasons you mention.

    It is explosive news.  


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    AXIOX (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 08:31:25 AM EST
    Axios' sources said investigators initially wanted the information about the roommate's gender identity kept quiet because that person is being "extremely cooperative" with authorities.

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    GA (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 04:14:11 PM EST
    I emphatically stated no comments with criticism or mocking of Kirk's politics or views would be allowed here. I've deleted at least six of your comments on this thread and the last one. This is a lot of work for me and I do not want your comments to result in TalkLeft being named on any list of websites to go after or dox. Please take this sh*t elsewhere. Do not mock Maga, Trump, his kids or the Kirks or his organization here. Howdy, do not respond to those comments as those will be deleted as well.

    The accused is different but stop bringing gossip here. Either cite a valid news source (not the Post or Fox News) or take it elsewhere.

    Thank you and I am quite serious about this. Do not use Talkleft as a dumping ground.

    Got it (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 04:22:40 PM EST
    Are we really lending credence (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 05:39:08 PM EST
    to the 'reportage' of the same people who, not long ago, paid out an 800 mil libel settlement for peddling conspiratorial garbage for months?

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    No we are not (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 05:53:15 PM EST
    we are pointing out it's being reported in a lot of places.  And they are not all based on the one x post.

    And if it's true it's seismic.  

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    I think he is being charged (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 05:58:15 PM EST
    on Tuesday.  I expect more info will be coming out then.

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    All I will (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:06:55 PM EST
    say is I went down a rabbit hole on that one and it doesn't look credible. However I don't think it matters if it is true. Remember how Bush & Cheney used to feed false information to the press about Iraq and then go on the shows the next day and say the XXX reported XXXX?

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    You don't think it matters if it true (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:10:27 PM EST
    you were just saying how bad it would be.  

    I agree with the first idea.  

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:27:03 PM EST
    it will be bad. My point is really that people will just believe it so it won't matter if it's true. The goal is to get the lie out there and churn and churn and then by the time the truth comes out people have already accepted the lie and never hear the truth.

    Heather Cox Richardson was discussing this yesterday. A lot of people think the shooter was trans because that's what they heard first thing.

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    I also (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:29:00 PM EST
    think this was put in the press because some bad Epstein stuff is going to come out this coming week.

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    In a lot of places (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:08:06 PM EST
    but all originating from one source, as far as I've seen.

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    I apologize (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 13, 2025 at 06:28:05 PM EST
    Those of us who are old enough ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 06:15:14 AM EST
    ... to remember Watergate will also remember that one month prior to the break-in and initial arrests, Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) was shot by 21-year-old would-be assassin Arthur Bremer while campaigning in Maryland for the Democratic presidential nomination. Bremer's vicious assault nearly killed him and rendered him a paraplegic.

    Much like Charlie Kirk, Wallace was a charismatic political populist and provocateur who had the capacity to rouse significant and intense passions amongst both his supporters and detractors, and there were times when he appeared to relish the angry divisions he had created and fostered.

    Still, regardless of where adults stood on the matter of George Wallace and his race-baiting populist appeals to white Southerners, I remember most people being sincerely shocked and dismayed by the assassination attempt against him.

    Obviously, nobody should be shot for holding noxious personal views or expressing them in public. But still, there was a discernable awkwardness amongst those who had truly despised Wallace, which included most members of my family in Southern California.

    It was a situation not unlike the one we're experiencing at present: How best does one lament the cruel fate of someone who is so intensely disliked and held in such contempt by so many? Rep. Shirley Chisolm (D-NY), a Black politician who like Wallace had embarked on a quixotic quest for the Democratic nomination that same year, responded by visiting Wallace while he was still in the hospital to express her condolences for his misfortune and wish him well.

    Because, like you, I find it distasteful to speak ill of the deceased on the occasion of their passing, I've decided to just shut up about Charlie Kirk. I'm under no illusions about who he was and what he stood for but still, I recognize that resorting to violence as a means to resolve a political or philosophical disagreement is the ultimate of selfish acts.

    Nearly ten years after Arthur Bremer left him confined to a wheelchair for life, and after some obvious and no doubt painful soul-searching, George Wallace embarked on an odyssey of personal contrition and redemption. He spoke to congregations of Black churches and members of civil rights organization across the entire state of Alabama and expressed what many who heard him felt to be a sincere and heartfelt mea culpa, taking personal responsibility for his own past hateful conduct and incendiary rhetoric and apologizing to everyone for having hurt so many in his earlier lifetime.

    Black voters responded by sweeping Wallace back into the governor's mansion in 1983, where he matched his words of contrition with actual deeds, making more African American political appointments to public office than any other figure in Alabama history, before or since.

    George Wallace proved that nobody should ever be dismissed as totally irredeemable, and that people can and do change their ways for the better, regardless of whether it's of their own volition or they were compelled by circumstances to do so.

    Personally, I am grieved that Charlie Kirk will never be afforded that opportunity to find his own more productive path forward, to learn from his mistakes or misfortune and grow positively from the experience. It's as much our loss as it is his own.

    Aloha.

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    The times are out of joint (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 02:15:46 AM EST
    as the bard said.

    Brian Kilmeade on Fox just said "or just kill them" - suggesting extrajudical murder as a way to solve the homelessness problem. Luckily, Brian's still alive, so I assume it's alright to draw attention to what he said.

    Aktion T4 (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 02:59:35 AM EST
    is what the Germans called it. I don't know if Fox has a codename for it or not.

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    AXIOS (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 07:37:13 AM EST
    Marc Caputo lol (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 07:58:00 AM EST
    Who is utterly Trump's creature now. Armando rages about it.

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    So (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 08:02:42 AM EST
    You don't believe it?

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    This could be bad (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2025 at 08:02:20 AM EST

    Between the lines: Federal and state law enforcement officials also are examining leftist groups in Utah to see whether they had knowledge of the alleged shooter's plans beforehand, or if they lent material support to him afterward.

    One of those groups eliminated its social media profile after the shooting, Axios has learned.
    The motive and political ideology of Robinson, 22, are subjects of intense online debate. Some conservatives have insisted he's an unhinged leftist. Liberals have pushed back by pointing to Robinson's conservative upbringing in Utah.



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